The Stars’ planned abandonment of the AAC is much more surprising when you consider it’s still among the ten newest arenas in the NHL! Sure, many of the older ones have gotten renovations and refurbishments, but I see nothing wrong with the building itself. Guess the real losers among all this interfranchise bickering are the fans.
Yep. Whatever you think about the Stars’ true intentions, I don’t see a reason to disbelieve what they’d been saying about being willing to stay. Gaglardi himself said in April he had always pictured them being there after 2031, too. It’s a shame.
Let’s see… among worst ice surfaces in the league… shrunk’n bowl seats… ok, AAC won’t be missed by players or me!
That greedy owners are looking to maximize profits, when the yr to yr “profits” are NOT why they bought a team… the actual profit is when they sell the team!!!
Cuban did nobody but himself favors by selling the these A-holes. Fans have no say, boycot? Team uses that to move, league? You kidding they let these A-holes into the club… prob too busy playing poker anyways.
Stars will be happy to take best deal for new place…
Ugh, I live in East Parker County. Moving to Plano would add at least an extra 20 minutes to an already 45 min (when traffic is light) drive. Since games start at 7 now, I gotta leave my house at 5, so traffic is never light for weekday games. Gotta drive through the whole Metroplex during rush hour.
Moving to Plano would probably lead to me giving up my season seats and that's a bummer. At least I-30 is a straight shot from here.
Absolutely. I have only been to a few hockey arenas outside of Dallas. However, I have been to every MLB park and there is definitely a different vibe between downtown and non downtown parks. However, the population of Collin County alone in 15 years will exceed the current population of the entire St. Louis metro area (which includes the second largest population center in Illinois). So I can imagine the thought of having an entertainment center that you control in the middle of 2.8 million people (and the only game in town) would turn the heads of the bean counters.
I thought the Mavs disclosing in their suit that they would split the AAC redo costs with the city to be interesting. Assuming it's true, why would they do this if they're about to leave? Perhaps it's a condition the City of Dallas put on them. The Mavs want land and a new arena downtown, no doubt with a bunch of funding and tax breaks. The Mavs don't care about the Stars or the AAC. But the city does care. They don't want to see the AAC and Victory Park turn into a wasteland. It was not an easy path to get where it is- don't forget about the development reboots, defaults, German creditors, etc. So the city partners with the Mavs to renovate the AAC at no cost to the Stars as long as they agree to re-up for another 30 years. This helps to sustain the AAC and businesses in VP and in exchange the city gives the Mavs the City Hall land or whatever.
I was thinking about this too. But then, why would the city endorse the Mavericks’ course of action now, which seems to ensure the Stars’ departure? Feels like we probably don’t know the whole story yet. I suspect you’re in the neighborhood, though.
The AAC is not Reunion; no love loss here. As a fan who has to drive an hour + given traffic, I would welcome a venue closer to the growing population of the DFW.
Heck, maybe, just maybe...they would add in building another sheet of ice for youth hockey as well? One can dream
Not even going to pretend that I follow the Mavericks situation, but I wouldn’t be entirely shocked if they end up moving to Las Vegas when their current lease expires.
The move to *any* new arena by either team will ultimately end up pricing many of us out of our current seats. I don't know it for a fact, but the Stars ticket prices have to be one of, if not *the*, best deals in pro sports.
Another point is that the Stars organization knows where its fans live—season ticket holders, subpackages, and single-game fans. I bet someone like you, Robert, could dig that info up. :) I guess that a large majority lives north of 635. I bet the Victory data would show its viewers live north, too. Others have noted that the pop center is shifting north. If my assumptions are correct, almost anywhere north of downtown will get them closer to their fan base. Maybe a move north is inevitable?
Oh, there’s no question their fanbase reflects the migration north, for sure. But that’s only one of many considerations that go into the optimal location of an arena.
They’ve sold out like 120 games in a row at home. Most data I’ve seen suggests that suburban arena do worse attendance when team performance dips, too.
This would be interesting data to see. I would guess (totally a guess) that more small game packages and individual tickets come from the areas you mention. Probably the business accounts too. I wonder about the full season seat holders, like myself, who drive from West Fort Worth. How many of us are there? I know quite a few a see plenty on the drives home but I have no clue what percentage that makes up.
Haltom City here and a STH since 2003 (partial with a group) and full (since 2016). The drive is a beating, but I've been a fan of the 7pm starts, for sure.
The Stars’ planned abandonment of the AAC is much more surprising when you consider it’s still among the ten newest arenas in the NHL! Sure, many of the older ones have gotten renovations and refurbishments, but I see nothing wrong with the building itself. Guess the real losers among all this interfranchise bickering are the fans.
Yep. Whatever you think about the Stars’ true intentions, I don’t see a reason to disbelieve what they’d been saying about being willing to stay. Gaglardi himself said in April he had always pictured them being there after 2031, too. It’s a shame.
Let’s see… among worst ice surfaces in the league… shrunk’n bowl seats… ok, AAC won’t be missed by players or me!
That greedy owners are looking to maximize profits, when the yr to yr “profits” are NOT why they bought a team… the actual profit is when they sell the team!!!
Cuban did nobody but himself favors by selling the these A-holes. Fans have no say, boycot? Team uses that to move, league? You kidding they let these A-holes into the club… prob too busy playing poker anyways.
Stars will be happy to take best deal for new place…
Fans? We don’t matter.
Ugh, I live in East Parker County. Moving to Plano would add at least an extra 20 minutes to an already 45 min (when traffic is light) drive. Since games start at 7 now, I gotta leave my house at 5, so traffic is never light for weekday games. Gotta drive through the whole Metroplex during rush hour.
Moving to Plano would probably lead to me giving up my season seats and that's a bummer. At least I-30 is a straight shot from here.
Interestingly, the center of population for the Dallas metroplex in 2050 is projected to be almost exactly where Willow Bend Mall currently sits.
That is interesting. Though of course population centers and downtowns aren’t always the same thing.
Absolutely. I have only been to a few hockey arenas outside of Dallas. However, I have been to every MLB park and there is definitely a different vibe between downtown and non downtown parks. However, the population of Collin County alone in 15 years will exceed the current population of the entire St. Louis metro area (which includes the second largest population center in Illinois). So I can imagine the thought of having an entertainment center that you control in the middle of 2.8 million people (and the only game in town) would turn the heads of the bean counters.
I thought the Mavs disclosing in their suit that they would split the AAC redo costs with the city to be interesting. Assuming it's true, why would they do this if they're about to leave? Perhaps it's a condition the City of Dallas put on them. The Mavs want land and a new arena downtown, no doubt with a bunch of funding and tax breaks. The Mavs don't care about the Stars or the AAC. But the city does care. They don't want to see the AAC and Victory Park turn into a wasteland. It was not an easy path to get where it is- don't forget about the development reboots, defaults, German creditors, etc. So the city partners with the Mavs to renovate the AAC at no cost to the Stars as long as they agree to re-up for another 30 years. This helps to sustain the AAC and businesses in VP and in exchange the city gives the Mavs the City Hall land or whatever.
I was thinking about this too. But then, why would the city endorse the Mavericks’ course of action now, which seems to ensure the Stars’ departure? Feels like we probably don’t know the whole story yet. I suspect you’re in the neighborhood, though.
Another location that requires the use of toll roads with few options for public transportation. Whee.
The AAC is not Reunion; no love loss here. As a fan who has to drive an hour + given traffic, I would welcome a venue closer to the growing population of the DFW.
Heck, maybe, just maybe...they would add in building another sheet of ice for youth hockey as well? One can dream
Not even going to pretend that I follow the Mavericks situation, but I wouldn’t be entirely shocked if they end up moving to Las Vegas when their current lease expires.
The move to *any* new arena by either team will ultimately end up pricing many of us out of our current seats. I don't know it for a fact, but the Stars ticket prices have to be one of, if not *the*, best deals in pro sports.
Another point is that the Stars organization knows where its fans live—season ticket holders, subpackages, and single-game fans. I bet someone like you, Robert, could dig that info up. :) I guess that a large majority lives north of 635. I bet the Victory data would show its viewers live north, too. Others have noted that the pop center is shifting north. If my assumptions are correct, almost anywhere north of downtown will get them closer to their fan base. Maybe a move north is inevitable?
Oh, there’s no question their fanbase reflects the migration north, for sure. But that’s only one of many considerations that go into the optimal location of an arena.
They’ve sold out like 120 games in a row at home. Most data I’ve seen suggests that suburban arena do worse attendance when team performance dips, too.
This would be interesting data to see. I would guess (totally a guess) that more small game packages and individual tickets come from the areas you mention. Probably the business accounts too. I wonder about the full season seat holders, like myself, who drive from West Fort Worth. How many of us are there? I know quite a few a see plenty on the drives home but I have no clue what percentage that makes up.
Haltom City here and a STH since 2003 (partial with a group) and full (since 2016). The drive is a beating, but I've been a fan of the 7pm starts, for sure.
Coming from west Fort Worth, I prefer the 7:30 starts cuz traffic is better, but that's not picking.
Adrive to Plano for a 7pm game would be 90 minutes of pain.
The new Mavs ownership group can go fuck themselves. Go Spurs.