Given that the stars' cap sheet should be much cleaner after Seguin's deal comes off the books this year, and that extensions up to 8 years can be signed until September 16, would it surprise you to see Robertson sign a lucrative extension post arbitration but prior to 9-16? Then his 26-27 cap hit is still what is awarded in arbitration but he still gets a pretty massive contract (call it 14M?
Im sure if he signed a 1 year deal prior to arbitration and then immediately announced an extension it would ruffle feathers as cap circumvention. But by letting arbitration award a 1 year deal and then agreeing to an extension, the same contractual (and salary cap) result feels just like a protracted negotiation.
That's certainly possible, if both sides really want to extend him. The question will be if his camp increases their asking price after he makes likely less than $14 million this season, and then is only eligible for a seven-year extension on January 1 (when he'd be eligible to extend).
Ah. I didnt realize he wasnt allowed to sign an extension until January (which makes sense to prevent the exact cap circumvention Im advocating for here).
After reading your article, it seems to bring clarity that wingers are not worth as much as centers. To that end, I don't think any winger is worth $14m, with the exception of Kuch in Tampa.
1) Plan on being there on 8/11 and really excited to finally meet you, Gavin, and the rest of the crew. Appreciate you all setting that up and giving us fans a chance to connect and talk Hockey
2) 2 firsts, Knies, and Werenski sounds like an amazing return and honestly would have had me more excited than what is likely going to happen. Just feel like the team is running it back and slightly less good than last year, in which they were slightly less good than the year before. Hard to think we get any further this year than last
3) After moving back to Dallas, I'm rediscovering the dining scene here with my wife but a few favorites are: La Stella Cucina in the Arts District [try the lobster pasta], Tei An [classic never goes out of style], Haywire in Plano, Hutchins BBQ in McKinney, Sichuan Folk in Plano [real deal chinese], The Charles, and Trulucks [stone crab claws]
I will make a note of these! Looking forward to saying hello on 8/11. Starts at 6pm (which I failed to include in the initial post, but have updated since).
With the arbitration, you’d think Dallas would have that list of recent RFA winger signings and correctly point out that each of those was for a long term contract that covered UFA years as well as RFA years and therefore are considered more expensive and more valuable so those ALSO don’t make a fair comparison.
I don’t think this arbitration needs to involve any kind of feelings or value judgement on Robertson- nothing like what Swayman and others recall from their arbitration hearings- but I also think that unless the arbiter is willing to strike a new path in terms of following the Carlsson trend of paying young players closer to their market value than paying “old” (I guess UFA is kinder) players money for past deeds- I just don’t foresee arbitration doing Robertson many favors.
I see what you’re saying about Bourque as a foregone conclusion meaning the Stars could include him with Harley for less pain that might be perceived, but I still perceive the pain.
Especially since they traded him for the second and third instead of recouping a first+ from an offer sheet or from the reported trade from
Philadelphia that also involved a 1st coming back.
I think Nill could have/should have tried to deal Lyubushkin separately to get back better assets for Bourque. Even if, despite what the climate for RHD has created this summer, Nill eventually had to attach a sweetener to his trade I’m
Not sure how a 2nd+3rd from a middle of the pack team would stack up to a 1st (and a 3rd getting attached to Lyubushkin) in a more favorable light. Even a low first round pick is still going to project better than a 2nd round pick.
Anyway, thanks for the words and hope your travels went well!
Fair comments, all. My assumption has been that the Stars weighed the value of a 1st from Nashville and what it would cost to move Lyubushkin vs a second from Nashville and no cost to move him, and the math said they should take the route they did. And of course, not all firsts are created even remotely equal, so it’s tough to say what was better until we see where that first would have landed. But yeah, the return for Bourque will always feel underwhelming, to me.
Given that the stars' cap sheet should be much cleaner after Seguin's deal comes off the books this year, and that extensions up to 8 years can be signed until September 16, would it surprise you to see Robertson sign a lucrative extension post arbitration but prior to 9-16? Then his 26-27 cap hit is still what is awarded in arbitration but he still gets a pretty massive contract (call it 14M?
Im sure if he signed a 1 year deal prior to arbitration and then immediately announced an extension it would ruffle feathers as cap circumvention. But by letting arbitration award a 1 year deal and then agreeing to an extension, the same contractual (and salary cap) result feels just like a protracted negotiation.
That's certainly possible, if both sides really want to extend him. The question will be if his camp increases their asking price after he makes likely less than $14 million this season, and then is only eligible for a seven-year extension on January 1 (when he'd be eligible to extend).
Ah. I didnt realize he wasnt allowed to sign an extension until January (which makes sense to prevent the exact cap circumvention Im advocating for here).
After reading your article, it seems to bring clarity that wingers are not worth as much as centers. To that end, I don't think any winger is worth $14m, with the exception of Kuch in Tampa.
1) Plan on being there on 8/11 and really excited to finally meet you, Gavin, and the rest of the crew. Appreciate you all setting that up and giving us fans a chance to connect and talk Hockey
2) 2 firsts, Knies, and Werenski sounds like an amazing return and honestly would have had me more excited than what is likely going to happen. Just feel like the team is running it back and slightly less good than last year, in which they were slightly less good than the year before. Hard to think we get any further this year than last
3) After moving back to Dallas, I'm rediscovering the dining scene here with my wife but a few favorites are: La Stella Cucina in the Arts District [try the lobster pasta], Tei An [classic never goes out of style], Haywire in Plano, Hutchins BBQ in McKinney, Sichuan Folk in Plano [real deal chinese], The Charles, and Trulucks [stone crab claws]
I will make a note of these! Looking forward to saying hello on 8/11. Starts at 6pm (which I failed to include in the initial post, but have updated since).
With the arbitration, you’d think Dallas would have that list of recent RFA winger signings and correctly point out that each of those was for a long term contract that covered UFA years as well as RFA years and therefore are considered more expensive and more valuable so those ALSO don’t make a fair comparison.
I don’t think this arbitration needs to involve any kind of feelings or value judgement on Robertson- nothing like what Swayman and others recall from their arbitration hearings- but I also think that unless the arbiter is willing to strike a new path in terms of following the Carlsson trend of paying young players closer to their market value than paying “old” (I guess UFA is kinder) players money for past deeds- I just don’t foresee arbitration doing Robertson many favors.
I see what you’re saying about Bourque as a foregone conclusion meaning the Stars could include him with Harley for less pain that might be perceived, but I still perceive the pain.
Especially since they traded him for the second and third instead of recouping a first+ from an offer sheet or from the reported trade from
Philadelphia that also involved a 1st coming back.
I think Nill could have/should have tried to deal Lyubushkin separately to get back better assets for Bourque. Even if, despite what the climate for RHD has created this summer, Nill eventually had to attach a sweetener to his trade I’m
Not sure how a 2nd+3rd from a middle of the pack team would stack up to a 1st (and a 3rd getting attached to Lyubushkin) in a more favorable light. Even a low first round pick is still going to project better than a 2nd round pick.
Anyway, thanks for the words and hope your travels went well!
Fair comments, all. My assumption has been that the Stars weighed the value of a 1st from Nashville and what it would cost to move Lyubushkin vs a second from Nashville and no cost to move him, and the math said they should take the route they did. And of course, not all firsts are created even remotely equal, so it’s tough to say what was better until we see where that first would have landed. But yeah, the return for Bourque will always feel underwhelming, to me.